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Caleb Stratton

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   All right, Caleb, thanks for joining, man.

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   Thank you for having me. It was a long trip.

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   It was a long trip, right?

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   Forever.

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   Yeah, you had a

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   could have rolled down the hill faster than taking the car.

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   You really could have, man.

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   We're we're coming together today to talk cuz one, you're my neighbor, but two, you have a lot of experience in resiliency. Um,

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   all that stuff. So, tell me what's what's the story with this nor easter that's coming. The storm that's coming is obviously like a storm surge event. Coastal rain, precipitation, wind. I mean, I think you can see it behind us right now. Have 30 knot winds, gusts up to 50. Nor Easter is not the same as a tropical storm. So, I figured there's a ton of information out there right now. Like meteorologists are plastering the airways and um I've worked in this industry adjacent to this industry for

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    15 years. And uh right now I'm working in Monmouth County. I'm the borough administrator over at Atlantic Highlands and figured we could have a conversation about what's going down.

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    I know there's like all these different models that forecast the storms. Um, what should people be looking at as they prepare

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    as you're preparing for the storm and the models you should be looking at? The things that I really find valuable is Stevens Institute has a flood forecast tool. Um, around this area in Monmouth County, there's three of them. There's one out on Sandy Hook. There's one in front of Seabbrite and there's one in Kingsburg. Those three models will give you uh forecasted tide and it also gives you observed tide. So right now they'll give you a few days out in a window. If you click on one of those tide stations, you can see, yeah, we had a high tide this

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    morning. We're going to have a high tide tonight. And then it'll get project out over the weekend. So, the reason why that tool is really valuable is if you're living in a coastal flood zone, adjacent to a coastal flood zone, you're like, "How bad is this?" Like, "This is a pretty serious storm." But I want people to react um with agency to that. And so, one of the things that Stevens does is it allows you to look at where the tide cycles are, how high they are. The best analog I have to this storm is like hurricane Irene which is like 2011 but all the models are projecting less

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    storm surge for this storm than they are for [snorts] um you know something that would be more consequential. So I can talk through the details of that if you think that's interesting.

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    Yeah, I'd be interested in just like so well first of all so is measuring the the surge like the height of the waves flowing past there's a buoy I assume.

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    Yeah. So, these are these are title buoys that are out uh they're actually all the way from like the Chesapeake all the way into Maine. You can click on ones. This isn't just in Monmouth County. They're they're all up the eastern seaboard. If you click on the buoy, it'll say like the tide tonight's going to be 4 feet and that's above uh basically like just zero is sea level and 4T is really on land. So, um like a lot of highlands, a lot of uh in the areas of flood risk and Atlantic Highlands, that's like four or five feet. So right now the surge they're

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    predicting for tonight on Saturday on Sunday is right around that 6ft level. Um Hurricane Irene was like at 7 ft. So it's about a foot underneath Irene. And because this is a nor'easter the storm's more of like a plateau. So it's going to come in. It's going to stick here from tonight into tomorrow into Sunday and then it's going to leave where tropical storms come in. There's like a much higher surge and then it kind of drops off. So the storm characteristics are a little different. And so the biggest risk is at those high tides, but since

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    the storm will be sitting around for a bit, are the lower tides like does the water is it going to stay in the streets or

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    water? The water will keep moving between the tides and really the thing to look out for is precipitation intensity and duration. So this is kind of like a longer precipitation event. And so it's not going to like if it does hit right at a high tide and all the catch basins get full, the tides are high, there's going to be less places for rainwater to go. So it might have like a knock-on effect. Um but in and around this area there's because we have the tides that's going to really help keep water moving. So you will see some the water go down like it will subside.

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    Um we're expecting street level flooding in Atlantic Highlands along Many Mind Creek. Um, so there's a couple crossroads that may not be passable during that high tide event. Similarly, in highlands, like you're going to see flooding on Shrewsbury, but that might only be in like the one to two foot range. It's not normal for Highlands, but they're like, we expect that. They know how to manage them. Um, we spent all day with our emergency management team, our public safety divisions. Everyone's briefed and prepared. Um,

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    Governor Cheryl just instituted a state of emergency for the state. And what that means is the state's able to marshall resources so that anything that's necessary they can bring to bear. So that's either uh you know police, fire, EMS, uh the office of emergency management centralizes a lot of different resources so that um the state of New Jersey, Monmouth County, Atlantic Highlands Highlands is prepared to uh weather the storm.

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    And you were the head of resiliency in Hoboken during Sandy and after Sandy? Uh I was working for the city of Hoboken during Sandy and then after Sandy I was appointed into the chief resilience officer position was the first in the state of New Jersey and so that's trying to manage different shocks and stresses uh really climate related to city systems. Um I spearheaded a lot of the reconstruction activity that happened in Hoboken a project called Rebuild by Design which is coastal gates and

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    levies. Um, and ultimately I was the business administrator there before I came down to supervise Atlantic Highlands and um, I just gained a lot of experience on the job working with different public safety divisions to manage different rainfall or coastal events and we're working to apply that down here.

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    Yeah. So from those learnings that you got from Hoboken after Sandy, what are what are places like Hoboken doing? What should places like Highlands, Sandy or Sea Bright, Atlantic Highlands, what are they doing? what like have they learned different strategies whether it's you know sandbags or levies walls what's the approach

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    well um let's talk about Sea Bright a little bit so Sea Bright because it's a coastal community that's both oceanfront and bayside is going to have a little bit of a different approach to than highlands which has both [snorts] uh navisync and bayside and then Atlantic Highlands which is Bayside so in Sea Bright I know that they're going to be helping residents with sandbags uh I talked to their business administrator today. She was very confident in her team communicating with public safety. Um I know that Sea Bright actually was doing a

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    training with the National Guard today. So the National Guard's like, "Can we help?" And they were like, "Yeah, please help us." Um they're probably going to do some road closures around the high tides. So Sea Bright is probably going to have both a more proactive and durable response because they are exposed to more flood risk and a different flood risk profile. Highlands is going to be putting messaging out if they haven't already. Atlantic Highlands put messaging out. Um, Highlands is going to be preparing for streetscale flooding in

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    the lowlands. Um, and they're also going to be monitoring Route 36 because there's flooding that comes down from Monmouth Hills if we get that really heavy precipitation. Um, and same thing in Atlantic Highlands. We're looking at where our vulnerable areas. We're communicating with JCP&L uh to make sure that they're bringing on staffing up resources to respond to power outages. That's probably the most likely thing to occur because of this storm event. Heavy sustained winds over a long period of time produces power outages. Is this a

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    Hurricane Irene or Hurricane Sandy level event? I don't think so. But I'm also not a meteorologist, so I'm just giving you what the tools that I use are telling me and kind of how our staff is preparing. Um, we've handled emergencies like this before and we're prepared to do so right now.

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    So, it sounds like there's a ton of preparation from the the burrows and the different towns, the Coast Guard, all these different

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    Yeah, Coast Guard's out doing training right now in Manisquan Inlet. Like, this is the time where you are both preparing and exercising. Like, if Coast Guard might not be responding to emergency right now, but they're certainly training for one. Um, so they'll be out on the boats, they'll be out on patrol. Um, we have a municipal h harbor in Atlantic Island. So, like I know that they're checking the mooring shackles. They're going through checking all the dock lines. They send out advanced notice to our harbor tenants. Um, we do staff we have staff on call over the weekend. We have staff in place over the

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    weekend. Um, we're trying to rightsize our response and that's what I would recommend for the residents in this area is there's a lot of information. Uh I don't know if that best information is always like watching the news. A lot of the times if you watch the news and gather your information that's great for awareness and warnings, but a lot of the storm impacts even here are going to be different between Sea Bright Highlands, [snorts] Atlantic Highlands. Um just because of the topography and how water flows in and around this area. We're, you know, we're on this peninsula.

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    Highlands and Atlantic Highlands are on this really unique peninsula. So, but we also have a lot of topography in the communities and that helps a lot in these kind of storm events, but it's difficult because it's heavily forested. So, it's like some things work to your favor and other things are are more challenging.

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    And what should residents who are living in those lowlying areas, what when do they expect the first high tide where there could be some flood risks

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    and

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    is there anything they should do to prepare, you know, their property or, you know, just in the house? Um, I mean the most obvious thing is move your car out of floodprone areas if you live in the lowlands because that's expensive to replace. We're not exactly sure how high the tide is going to come in. But, uh, tonight's first high tide cycle around 8:00. Tomorrow, 8:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m. is going to be a little bit different everywhere. There's four tide cycles this weekend you want to pay attention to. So, that's tonight. Tomorrow morning, I think is probably going to be

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    the highest tide cycle just based on how the storm's moving. tomorrow night and Sunday morning and hopefully the storm starts to like dissipate Sunday afternoon. Um, aside from moving your car, if your house is already raised, like grabbing anything off the floor, elevating it, um, having a plan if power goes out, if there's, you know, if you don't have your air conditioning that's elevated, um, just make sure you have a backup plan so if power does go out, you're able to either safely leave your house, like we don't really recommend

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    traversing flood waters. By not really, I mean like you really shouldn't. The reason why we say that is because um even a foot of standing water or two feet of standing water can push vehicles. It's dangerous to walk through. There could be down power lines. So, if you're going to leave, leave before those tide cycles. Uh or if you're going to stay, maybe wait for that low tide cycle when the water starts to move out and kind of plan accordingly. This is something that I think a lot of the people in these communities have been through, but there's also a lot of people that are

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    moving into the community that may not have had the experience with prior coastal storms. Um, so that's just good to educate yourself. The piece that I would say is that most of the properties in Highlands that are in the floodplains or if you're in Atlantic Highlands, you might have an elevation certificate with your house that'll let you know how high like your lowest floor is. So if it's at 4.5 ft and they're projecting a six foot storm surge, that means that there's maybe a foot and a half of water. It's the difference between the grade and the storm surge prediction.

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    That's how you find out how much water might be in that tide cycle that you're going through.

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    It sounds like the characteristics of this storm are quite different than maybe slightly similar to Irene, probably quite different from Sandy. You know, there's probably no like direct parallel to a prior storm. Um, how what are the differences between like a Sandy and Irene and this Nor Easter that's coming?

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    100%. Um, so the difference between Hurricane Sandy 2012, Hurricane Irene 2011, and a September nor easter is Sandy and Irene were both tropical cyclones, um, like hurricanes. Their classification is based on wind speed. The difference and like Sandy's come up in the conversation like I've heard it in the news cycle. I think the reason why they're saying that is because we are tomorrow I think is an astronomical high tide. So like that means it would have been a king tide already in the

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    moon cycle and that's what Sandy was. So it was the moon cycle always produces a higher tide. Sandy is very very different in that there was like a 9 ft storm surge. So in some places they had five, six, seven feet of water above grade. I don't really see that from the tools that I'm looking at and the prediction models. Um, this is something that's like five, six, seven feet lower than what Sandy may be. So, the way and the reason why that's different, tropical storms are produced like uh a

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    tropical wave comes out of Africa, it gathers warm air, warm water moves across the entire Atlantic Ocean and then it hits the east coast of the United States. Norers are produced from cooler water. It it can have like a cyclone formation, but it doesn't have the energy of a hurricane. And the track of this kind of like meandering around the New York Bight, um, it doesn't the the technical term is fetch. So like that's the distance that the storm gets

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    to generate like intensity and speed. This storm just doesn't have that distance to generate all the same intensity and speed. It's a severe storm. Like I think that we'll see over the weekend like what it produces. But I just I think you always want to try and rightize and characterize the storm correctly because then people can be better prepared. They have better information. Um and you can kind of listen to language that people are using if you're watching the news or seeing things posted on Facebook or Instagram,

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    whatever that is. Um it just gives you more information to kind of inform your decision-m. Why do nor eisters not have names?

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    That's a good question. I wanted to name this one.

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    Yeah, it's annoying saying nor easter.

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    So, I was like like I when I was typing up stuff, I was like the September surprise cuz everyone was kind of like there has been this has been the lowest uh I think in like the last hundred years there have been no uh tropical storms or hurricanes produced in the Atlantic basin. So, it's been the lowest like on like I don't know upon record but in the last hundred years. And so what you're seeing is like a climate level shift of um you know we have warmer waters further north earlier that

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    are producing very strong storm events. Um and it is a characteristically slow Atlantic hurricane season. So maybe they shouldn't maybe you should coin the term and like make up a name.

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    I like the September surprise

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    like it works.

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    I think they stick to one one name though, right? These things.

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    Yeah. Well, the hurricanes get named because they do it like ABCD EFG. Norers are not as typical where it's like you're going to have 26 or 30 name storms. Um I don't know. Maybe we should make that proposal.

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    Yeah, we should work on that.

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    It's the off the hook storm. [snorts]

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    The kite surfers are out.

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    When is uh when is it safe for folks to because I know you know a lot of people like to go look at storms. They like to walk to the water.

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    Yeah. What is it? Is it safe to do that over the weekend or should they not? Should you really avoid going out?

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    I think that safe is relative to elevation. So, uh if you're in Highlands and you go to Eterly Park that is higher than you know that's 20 30 ft above you got a good look at the river what the river is doing. You can probably see over the ocean. If you cross over the Highland Seabbrite Bridge, um you'll get a good perspective on the ocean, but I don't generally tend to direct people towards the coastal edge for during the tide events, but um if you can get to a safe place that's at elevation, you can

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    get good perspective on what's going on on the beach side or the the bay side.

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    And then as as like borough administrator, what does your weekend look like this weekend? Are you constantly in contact with different folks? So, my day today, we had a pre-briefing uh you know, decision support tool. We talked through with staff, talked to all our public safety folks this afternoon, briefing with the mayor and all the council members on activities that we're doing. I'll stay in touch with Mayor Hoen Lightner over the weekend. Um, and she has been very supportive. She supported me coming and talking this evening. Um, we will be in

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    touch with all of my division heads over the weekend. I'll be in Atlantic Highlands for the tide cycles to just see what's going on on the ground, offer my support where I can do that and then um try to stay out of the way. Like there's I'm more on the administrative side. So when we're in operations, it's do our people have the right resources and if they don't, like that's where I would come in and try and provide resources either by coordinating with our office of emergency management or with county office of emergency management. And if it gets to that

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    level, state or even national guard.

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    So you'll get down on the ground, survey what's going on, and then interact with the folks operating. If they have any blockers, you'll get on the line and try to clear those out.

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    Sure. where where's your plan for where you going to head down in Atlantic Highlands?

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    The Many Mind Creek area, which is east of First A, that's where the predominant floodplain area is. So, any of the cross streets going across, um, we're going to close those off first. So, some of those may be closed off tonight or tomorrow morning. Um, make sure that we're not having people traversing flood waters. Um, and then the other area on the other side is Wagner Creek. Um, that is the potential of the flood as well. and and it depends on how high the storm surge comes in and how much rain we get uh over the weekend. The Stevens tool

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    gives you the projected high tide, but then you can also look at historic tides. So that's where that's where I pull up Hurricane Irene. I look that's at like 7 1/2 ft and I'm looking at the projection for this these tide cycles and it can peak out at about 6 and 1/2 ft.

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    Yeah. Should we pull up the Stevens tool?

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    Sure.

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    Alumni.

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    Alumni. That's right. Yeah. They'll be proud of me. All right, what do we got here?

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    So, we're looking at different tidal buoys going down from the the Chesapeake all the way over to uh Cape Cod. And the reason why they're flashing right now is because most of them are projecting uh a flood over the next few days. So, if we zoom in a little bit to our area, the three tide gauges that I referenced before are in um Kingsburg, Sandy Hook, and um Shbury River, Sea Bright. So, if we pop over to the Kingsburg one, forecast

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    is for a major flood. When they say major flood, that's where we start to see street level flooding.

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    Um so, red, moderate, minor. Uh so this high tide event tonight uh about five feet tomorrow about six feet. So the pink is the projection the gray is the area of uncertainty. So that's ensemble uncertainty shown from 5% to 95%. So like it could be lower than that. There's a 5% chance it could be higher than this gray. There's a 5% chance. So that's like a pretty high level of certainty. um getting up into the 7 ft

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    range if it's worse than they uh anticipate getting down into the 5-ft range. It's worse this lower um I'm sorry I don't want to click on that. This lower level one

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    do you want to zoom in?

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    Uh I don't know if we can but

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    kind of

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    a little bit. So this lower level one is showing you the red is observed, pink is projected, and green is uh how much they got it wrong. So this is the forecast error.

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    Oh, so they were pretty spot on.

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    So this is all within 6 in uh going from yesterday into today.

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    Wow.

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    So you can see that their forecast error right now is they're forecasting higher and it's observing lower. So, it's observing about six inches lower than what they're projecting. So, you can see that right here on their the pink line, they were observing a low tide this afternoon at like zero. It was actually at like minus 6.

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    Okay.

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    So, um that could mean that the high tide pushes higher. It could also just mean that this high tide pushes lower on this gray bar. But that's why they have that uncertainty range that they talk about. Um, so this is a good way to look at how high do they think the tide is going to be, what's the deviation from the forecast, and they update this constantly. So, as they get more information through tonight's high tide cycle, they'll have more information for

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    tomorrow's tide cycle because they have better information on the storm behaviors.

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    So, it's interesting. So, like this is the high tide that's coming tonight.

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    This is the high tide that they're projecting for tonight. uh a couple hours from now looks like four and a half feet. Um and then this is the next tide that they're projecting. Um the difference the lower graph is not tide height. This is surge.

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    Okay. Y

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    So the tide is always moving.

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    Y

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    um and then this is the actual surge. So like

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    it's a higher than normal tide and we're having really in this area what you're seeing is like this is all the water getting pushed in from the nor easter. So, it's like over a high tide, you're probably looking at another two and three feet.

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    Got it. Because this is this is a couple days right here. These are the this is the surge. Yep. And then the storm winds down.

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    And then the storm starts to wind down. And again, this is like that plateau where the storm kind of sits here for a little bit and then drops off. Um, and so you take this tool and you look at wind forecast, rain forecast, and that kind of helps you prepare emergency operations and rightsize the response level. So once you get into this major flood level at, you know, 6 ft, the next thing you're looking at is the FEMA flood maps. Are you in the 100-year floodplain? And Monmouth County has

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    coastal evacuation routes. Uh my understanding is they are not issuing a coastal evacuation for this storm. So that should also be an indicator that, you know, this is going to be significant weather event, but not necessarily like a severe impactful weather event. The caveat to that is that doesn't have anything to do with JCP&L's electrical infrastructure. And if we get sustained 50 mph winds for two days, like you could see a lot of wires down, trees down, those kind of things.

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    That makes sense. It looks like there's a little more uncertainty as we go tide cycles out. Does this change down as the time gets closer?

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    Yeah, usually you'll see this uncertainty level narrow down once you get into one tide cycle away, two tide cycle away. This is a big question mark which I would say is about storm behavior,

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    right?

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     All of the models that they're running right now, the behavior that if you were tracking earlier this week, they're like, is it going to go east? Is it going to go north? Right now, it's looking like it's trending a little more west. Like those are the meteorology related to this storm is a little bit different than what the storm surge and uh tidal analysis is showing us.

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     The more west it it is kind of the worse it is,

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     the more impact we may have. Yeah.

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     Yep. So,

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     no, this is this is a good resource cuz I think as you were saying before, you know, you hear when a a news is talking about it is generally not like hyper local,

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     right?

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     Where this is really giving you hyper local data.

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     Yeah. So, let's check out Sea Bright real quick. So, this is, you know, this last one we were just looking at the Kingsburg station. This is what I would use in Atlantic Highlands. Um, so if I was over in Sea Bright and really wondering what was going to happen, this is what I would take a look at. And so what we'll do, um, is I can pop up another one of these windows and we'll we'll compare Sea Bright, um, from Hurricane Irene, and we'll flip back and

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     forth.

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     So, you know your hurricane dates by by heart. No, I looked I looked this up earlier because I was I wanted to make sure that what kind of territory we were in.

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     Um

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     that's a cool idea though. I would have you know I had I wouldn't have thought to like oh let's pull up the data from a prior storm for that comparison.

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     Um so this was CBR during hurricane Irene. See how like how wide the uncertainty is. Mhm.

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     Um that's not because the tool what they the tool wasn't forecasting it. It's just because as the storms come in and as wave height is generated you're going to see like a more dynamic effect. Again I tropical storm nor easter is a not a tropical storm. So if you look at this

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     surge

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     peak.

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     Yeah.

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     It really came in fast and left pretty fast. Yep.

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     Um, and this recorded flood height was, you know, 6 1/2 ft, give or take. And then if you look at the storm, this storm, this is a much more gradual building. There's not that same peak. It's it's a little wider for longer. [snorts] And the forecast for the storm is about a foot less than Irene

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     for that peak high tide cycle tomorrow morning. So you have more potential for more moderate flooding for a longer period of time. Um but I think that you know the higher the tide gets the more impactful the storm potential is. What I see between this model um and this I'm sorry this model is that this is the event it comes in a hit. It's really hard that's a little harder to recover from.

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     Um this is something where it's more sustained over a period of time. It's going to be taxing for resources. There's going to be a lot of people working a longer period of time, but um I think the the dynamics of the storm has the potential to not be as severe. You're just looking at the information that they're modeling out and projecting.

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     Yeah, that's super interesting. The the difference between that peak and that sort of a plateau

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     y

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     is very uh insightful data.

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     Cool.

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     That is cool. Ah, Stevens.

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     Stevens is the best. Stevens is the best.

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     Well, all right, Caleb, thanks for thanks for coming today to uh you know, for for coming coming all the way down uh 20 ft of hill to uh to educate you know, me and the community a little bit about this this Nor Easter that's coming that we're still we're still working on a name for, but we'll come we'll come up with one.

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     I really appreciate the opportunity. Look me up anytime. I'm happy to answer questions. Um, I just really think it's important to get out the correct and steady information to people so they can make good decisions. And uh, happy to come back and talk about a lot of the things that we did for adaptation investment. There was a retooling and a recalibration of how we looked at storm cycles in Hoboken. And a lot of that work was forward-looking and adapting and building back different than just

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     the last storm, but looking ahead for the next 50 or 100 years. And I think that in all the communities in Monmouth County, Atlantic Highlands, Highlands, Sea Bright, there's an incredible investment. There's a transition that's occurring at the waterfront in the water's edge that um I think that people see that it it's an incredible value. It's the reason why my family moved here. um then people want to be engaged with it and so a lot of the infrastructure was built over the last hundred years is not necessarily built for what the next hundred years are

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     going to throw at us. So um I call like resilience specifically is producing blue sky value um and then black sky performance. So you want infrastructure and systems to work when people are enjoying them and then also protect the community on weekends like this. So happy to come back and talk about some of those things and I just appreciate you everything that you're doing. It's super fun to watch your entire, you know, thing grow and it's been really fun. So

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     I appreciate that. Yeah, we'll we'll definitely we'll come back. We'll do another one maybe, you know, after this weekend. Hopefully it's, you know, has a chance to be a little bit significant, but hopefully it's pretty moderate and we can talk about uh you know, what went down over the the weekend. Hopefully not too many power outages, not too much surge, everyone's all right and yeah, we can talk about different strategies.

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     Thank you.

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     Cool.

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     Appreciate it. All right.

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